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    TERRY GROSS, HOST:

    That is FRESH AIR. I am Terry Gross. This week, we’re that includes a few of our favourite music interviews from our archive. As we speak, we’ll hear an interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. She began out recording nation music, had a number of No. 1 hits and received a Grammy however then left Nashville and established herself as a singer-songwriter on the planet of indie rock. Since then, Money has labored throughout many musical genres, together with nation, rock, people, pop and American roots. She’s received 4 Grammys and was nominated for 12 others. In 1973, when she was 18, her father, Johnny Money, gave her an inventory of 100 important nation songs he thought she wanted to know. On the time, she was extra inquisitive about writing her personal songs than deciphering the songs of others. However in 2009, she returned to her father’s record and recorded 12 of the songs on it. I spoke along with her when that album, referred to as “The Record,” was launched. We began with a music from the album, a music referred to as “Sea Of Heartbreak.” Bruce Springsteen sings on this one.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SEA OF HEARTBREAK”)

    ROSANNE CASH: (Singing) The lights within the harbor do not shine for me. And I am like a misplaced ship adrift on the ocean…

    ROSANNE CASH AND BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN: (Singing) The ocean of heartbreak, misplaced love and loneliness, reminiscences of your caress, so divine, I want you had been mine once more, my pricey. I am on the ocean of tears, the ocean of heartbreak

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    GROSS: Rosanne Money, welcome again to FRESH AIR.

    CASH: Nicely, thanks, Terry.

    GROSS: Inform me why you needed to file this file. We’ll get to the entire record in a second. However of all of the songs on “The Record,” why “Sea Of Heartbreak?”?

    CASH: Why this – why “Sea Of Heartbreak”? It is sort of a wonderfully constructed nation music. And it was on the record, so, , that gave me permission. And it is – it embodies that longing that’s in a lot of nation music actually, rather well. And past that, it takes a metaphor and carries it to the very finish with out breaking that narrative concerning the metaphor, with out changing into kitschy, which plenty of songs do. And that is sort of good to me. And it is also – it makes it a little bit of a interval piece since you do not hear many fashionable songs that do this. And there is additionally some language in it that is not fashionable. You already know, when he says divine and my pricey, these are sort of old-school methods of speaking, and I actually get pleasure from that. So it was like stepping right into a interval piece. On the similar time, it has the hallmark of each nice music, which is that it transcends time. It has a timeless high quality to it, and it feels very fashionable.

    GROSS: It is superb. The lyric was written by Hal David, who wrote the lyrics for therefore many Burt Bacharach songs. So he is not precisely Mr. Nation Music, Mr. Nashville (laughter).

    CASH: No. And, , I actually thought that Don Gibson had written it – as a result of he had the early, definitive model of the music – after which discovered that Hal David and Paul Hampton wrote it in New York. It was an enormous shock.

    GROSS: Your father has a superb recording of this.

    CASH: He does. You already know, not being disloyal, however I’ve to say, I nonetheless want the Don Gibson model. And, , my dad recorded his model with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on “Unchained,” and he might need been a bit of too energized from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

    (LAUGHTER)

    GROSS: Now you’ve Bruce Springsteen singing with you on this one. Is he a buddy?

    CASH: No, I could not name him a buddy. I’ve met him a couple of instances over time, however it could be presumptuous to say he is a buddy.

    GROSS: Why did you ask him to duet on this music?

    CASH: As a result of he is only a dream date, Terry.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: We knew we needed to do a duet, so I did my half on “Sea Of Heartbreak.” We go, God, who’s the right particular person to ask to sing on this music? Who’s, like, the embodiment of American romantic male voice? Nicely, that might be Bruce Springsteen. So we requested him.

    GROSS: And he stated sure.

    CASH: He stated sure. I believed, oh, there is a 50/50 likelihood Bruce will do it. After which, , he knew the music. He’d obtained the idea of the record. He is so steeped in nation music, anyway, and roots music. So it was a simple factor for him, I feel.

    GROSS: So let’s get the story of the record. Your album is named “The Record,” and there is a story behind it. So would you inform the story?

    CASH: Yeah. Once I was 18 years previous, I went on the street with my dad after I graduated from highschool. And we had been driving on the tour bus someday, sort of rolling by way of the south, and he talked about a music. We began speaking about songs, and he talked about one, and I stated, I do not know that one. And he talked about one other. I stated, I do not know that one both, Dad. And he turned very alarmed that I did not know what he thought-about my very own musical family tree. And I used to be very steeped in pop and rock music, and I grew up in Southern California. So he spent the remainder of the afternoon making an inventory for me. And on the finish of the day, he stated, that is your training. And throughout the highest of the web page, he wrote 100 important nation songs. The record might need been higher titled “100 Important American Songs” as a result of it was very complete. He lined each vital level in Southern and American music, early people songs, protest songs, Delta blues, Southern gospel, early nation music, Appalachian. Every little thing that fed into fashionable nation music was on that record. So his overview was actually of a musicologist however fashioned by his instincts, , and simply the rhythm in his personal blood. So I noticed when he gave me the record on the age of 18 that this was an vital doc, and I set about studying these songs. Nevertheless it took me, I feel, till now to understand that he was actually giving me himself, part of his coronary heart and soul.

    GROSS: Once you say you went about studying these songs, did you get the sheet music or get the information? How did you study them?

    CASH: All I needed to do was get my dad (laughter) as a result of he had all of them at his fingertips. You would say, effectively, how does this one go? And he’d choose up a guitar and sing it to me. After which some I knew the information, . Like, I had recognized Ray Charles’ “Take These Chains From My Coronary heart” since childhood. I had recognized Patsy Cline “She’s Obtained You” since childhood. Others I discovered the information for.

    GROSS: So that you lastly realized later in life that your father had given you a bit of himself and a bit of his personal sort of genetic make-up when he gave you this record of 100 songs. However when he gave you that record, did you instantly suppose, thanks, Dad, or was it extra like, thanks, Dad?

    CASH: Like an 18-year-old would do?

    GROSS: Yeah.

    CASH: No, I – , if he had given it to me even a pair years earlier, I might need stated, oh, yeah, eye roll, thanks, Dad. However I needed this. I needed him. You already know, my dad and mom had been divorced. I used to be simply socking on this nice time with my dad, who was clear and sober. So I needed that have of loving what he cherished and studying about his life. Additionally I used to be simply beginning to write songs, so this was a template for me. These are wonderful songs. He wrote the record as a songwriter. So I had that template for nice songwriting. It was thrilling to me.

    GROSS: Now, do you continue to have that piece of paper that the record was on?

    CASH: I do. I discovered it once more in 2000 – late 2005, once I was writing the narratives for my final file. It was “Black Cadillac,” and I wrote narratives for the present. And I discovered the record in 2005, and I believed, effectively, it will make a pleasant topic for a story for the “Black Cadillac” present, by no means considering something greater than that. And I wrote this narrative, and it began once I was 18 years previous. My dad gave me this record. Nicely, all people began coming as much as me saying, the place’s that record? When are you going to file that record? It turned humorous.

    GROSS: So what did you do with the piece of paper now? Is it, like, framed? Is it preserved? The place do you retain it?

    CASH: I maintain it in my recordsdata. It isn’t framed. It isn’t – , I need to do the best factor with the precise record sooner or later, however I do not need to simply publish it on the web or, , give it away but partly as a result of I need to do Quantity 2.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: And I do not need anybody else to do Quantity 2.

    GROSS: Nicely, I need to play one other music from the record, and it is a nice music. I really like this music that Patsy Cline made well-known. It is referred to as “She’s Obtained You.” And of all of the songs on the record, why did you need to do that one?

    CASH: Nicely, it is a traditional nation music. Anybody who is aware of nation music is aware of this music. Sadly, in addition they know Patsy Cline’s model, which is so iconic that I had some hassle getting previous that to really file it myself. However , what’s nice about this music, too, is that it is a record. Within the music is listed all of the issues that the opposite girl has. So it is a record throughout the record.

    GROSS: Oh, proper.

    (LAUGHTER)

    GROSS: Yeah. And, I assume, what do you do to place your self within the temper to really feel the music? I imply, you are married. You already know what I imply? Like, you are not…

    CASH: Yeah.

    GROSS: You are not an adolescent anymore. You are married, so – effectively, possibly that is a presumptuous query. Perhaps I ought to simply drop that ‘trigger…

    CASH: No, I do know what you are saying. However, , ardour just isn’t reserved for younger folks. And I feel that my sensitivity to music has truly deepened and expanded as I’ve gotten older. You add extra life expertise. You already know, the music will get filtered by way of all of that. And that is lovely. Once I began singing this music, like I stated, I needed to get Patsy Cline off my shoulder a bit to even strategy the music. So as soon as I began singing it, I – and it sort of dawned on me. Oh, this is the reason this music has been lined so many instances. This can be a nice music.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SHE’S GOT YOU”)

    CASH: (Singing) I’ve obtained your image that you simply gave to me. And it is signed with love similar to it was. The one factor completely different, the one factor new – I’ve obtained your image, she’s obtained you. I’ve obtained the information that we used to share. And so they nonetheless sound the identical as while you had been right here. The one factor completely different, the one factor new – I’ve obtained the information, she’s obtained you. I’ve obtained your reminiscence. Or has it obtained me? I actually do not know, however I do know it will not let me be. I’ve obtained your class ring…

    GROSS: That is my visitor, Rosanne Money, singing “She’s Obtained You,” a music made well-known by Patsy Cline, a music featured on Rosanne Money’s CD referred to as “The Record,” which is songs chosen from the record of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave to her when she was 18.

    When your father gave you that record, while you had been 18, how deep had been you into nation music?

    CASH: Not very. I used to be, , president of my Beatles fan membership once I was 11.

    GROSS: (Laughter) Actually?

    CASH: (Laughter) Sure, I used to be, certainly. And I, like, …

    GROSS: Is that this the place I ask who your favourite Beatle was?

    CASH: Nicely, John (laughter).

    GROSS: OK, good (laughter).

    CASH: And I – , I grew up in Southern California. I used to be very well-versed in Southern California pop and rock and Buffalo Springfield and Neil Younger and Elton John and Janis Joplin after which Joni Mitchell, which is the primary time I noticed {that a} girl might be a songwriter. So I had, after all, heard what my dad and mom performed round the home and heard the musicians my dad drug residence off the street. And my mom listened to plenty of Ray Charles and Marty Robbins and Patsy Cline. So I obtained that in by osmosis as effectively. However so far as doing a severe immersion in it, like I had carried out with the Beatles, no, I had not carried out that.

    GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

    GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to my interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. We spoke in 2009 when she launched her album “The Record.” It featured 12 songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, made for her.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    GROSS: You have had this record of 100 nation music songs that your father gave you because you had been 18. So you’ve got had this because the early ’70s.

    CASH: ’73.

    GROSS: Why now? Why file them now?

    CASH: Oh. That is an excellent query. The truth is, I resisted it for the primary yr that John began speaking about it. Nicely, for lots of causes – one, I did have a chip on my shoulder once I was youthful. I’m going to do that my means. No person’s ever going to have the ability to say that I traded on my dad’s identify. It was a big shadow. I needed out of it. And I most likely carried the chip longer than was gracious (laughter). It is OK while you’re in your 20s. It isn’t OK while you’re in your 40s. So it was partly that, my knee-jerk response towards doing something that traded on my dad’s identify. Then I began to understand, that is my record. He gave this to me. This was private. This was like if he was a martial arts grasp and was passing on a secret to his little one. You already know, it belongs to me. So once I began to really feel myself take possession of it, psychologically, then I began enthusiastic about recording the songs. And the opposite half is, I do not suppose I may have carried out this till I misplaced my dad and mom, till they died.

    GROSS: I used to be considering you may really feel that means as a result of – is it as a result of they owned the songs?

    CASH: Nicely, in the event that they did, they handed them on. Nevertheless it’s additionally since you’re not – effectively, I wasn’t so inquisitive about legacy till they had been gone. I wasn’t so inquisitive about what they left me till they weren’t right here to inform me about it. And, , at this level, I had a extremely severe well being downside myself, , a face-off with my very own mortality. You begin enthusiastic about these issues. What did my dad and mom depart me? What’s in my DNA? What am I going to go away my children? And these songs are a part of my cells in a means. They’re a part of my DNA. And they’re what I need to depart my very own children.

    GROSS: You talked about that you simply had your individual brush with mortality. And I do know that you simply had mind surgical procedure.

    CASH: Proper.

    GROSS: How way back was this?

    CASH: It was November 27.

    GROSS: Would you clarify what the issue was that necessitated the surgical procedure?

    CASH: I had a structural abnormality in my mind I could have been born with. My neurosurgeon wasn’t certain. And it simply obtained worse as I obtained older till I used to be changing into debilitated by complications. In order that they did not actually uncover what it was till 2007, earlier in 2007. After which he stated, , there is no benefit in ready to repair this; you might want to maintain this. So I had mind surgical procedure. And, , it isn’t for the faint of coronary heart, by the way in which (laughter).

    GROSS: And any time any person enters your mind for surgical procedure, it is actually, actually dangerous.

    CASH: Yeah.

    GROSS: Had been you terrified earlier than the surgical procedure?

    CASH: I ready myself psychologically. I – , I did hypnosis tapes, and I did simply plenty of reflection and speaking about it and getting ready as a result of I knew how scary it was. And actually, that is why my neurosurgeon stated to attend, , six weeks or one thing. He stated, you might want to put together your self psychologically. So I obtained it when he advised me that it was going to be powerful, and it was a protracted restoration. So, , I did my work sufficient beforehand that I walked into the OR laughing with my anesthesiologist, making jokes (laughter) and singing “If I Solely Had A Mind.”

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: My morbid humorousness actually obtained me by way of this, I’ve to say.

    GROSS: What concerning the restoration on the opposite finish? I imply, you are so steeped in your senses, in – , in writing, which you do plenty of, each songs and books. You are finishing a memoir now.

    CASH: Yeah.

    GROSS: In listening, which you do plenty of. In singing. So, I imply, had been your senses altered in a means that was both attention-grabbing or disturbing after the surgical procedure, throughout the interval of restoration?

    CASH: Oh, that is a superb query, and no one has thought to ask me that query. And the reality is that they had been. I had the listening to of a canine for about two months (laughter).

    GROSS: Wait. What does that imply? That…

    CASH: I imply, it was – my listening to was so delicate that – , I reside in Manhattan. I could not go exterior for a month. It was so intense. However the factor I used to be afraid of did not occur, which is my expertise of music. And I had written this letter to Oliver Sacks earlier than I went into surgical procedure. I had met him at a celebration the yr earlier than. And so I wrote him, and I advised him my downside. And I stated, do you suppose that my expertise of music goes to be altered? Will I lose my sensitivity to music or my capability to play it? And he wrote me again essentially the most lovely, typewritten letter that was hand-corrected in ink. And it mainly stated, my – he stated, my experience is with the cortex, and your downside is with the cerebellum, so I can not actually make it easier to, however I do have an inkling of how vital that is to you.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: I cherished that. That is the letter I’ll body.

    GROSS: Singer and songwriter Rosanne Money, recorded in 2009. We’ll hear extra of our interview after a break, as we proceed our weeklong sequence of a few of our favourite interviews with musicians from the archive. I am Terry Gross, and that is FRESH AIR.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MISS THE MISSISSIPPI AND YOU”)

    CASH: (Singing) I am rising bored with the big-city lights, bored with the glamor and uninterested in the sights. In all of my goals, I’m roaming as soon as extra again to my residence on the previous river shore. I’m unhappy and weary, far-off from residence. Miss the Mississippi and also you, pricey. Days are darkish and dreary all over the place I roam. Miss the Mississippi and also you. Roaming the broad…

    GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. I am Terry Gross, again with extra of my interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money, recognized for her work in nation indie rock, people and American roots music. She’s been awarded Grammys and Gold Data and has been inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Corridor of Fame. We spoke in 2009, when her album, “The Record,” was launched. It featured 12 songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, compiled for her. He made it in 1973, when she was 18 and on the street with him. Once we left off, we had been speaking about how she had recovered from mind surgical procedure she had undergone to right a structural abnormality. The surgical procedure was in 2007, a few years earlier than our interview was recorded.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    GROSS: You already know, you talked about that earlier than the surgical procedure, you had complications, like, actually extreme complications. I discover that the one time once I cannot get pleasure from music, once I need nothing to do with music is when I’ve a nasty headache. And once I consider you going by way of – was it lengthy interval, proper, while you had these unhealthy complications? How did you do music? Did you’ve any room in your head the place it was pleasurable to make or hearken to music?

    CASH: That is attention-grabbing. I listened to much more classical music within the two years earlier than the surgical procedure as a result of it appeared – it was extra soothing to me. And, , I may digest it higher. However plenty of instances, singing, taking part in music myself, I might transfer out of the headache. You already know, it could simply dissolve. That is an attention-grabbing factor about music. You already know, folks say it’s totally therapeutic. It is extremely therapeutic, actually.

    GROSS: Nicely, I feel we must always hear one other music out of your new CD, “The Record.” And I believed this may be a great place to listen to “500 Miles.” And I’ve to say – I used to be telling you this earlier than we began the interview – if I went by way of the remainder of my life and each listening to this music once more, I might be advantageous, I believed, till I heard your model. You already know, I feel so many people know the Peter, Paul and Mary model, which we heard so many instances. And once I was studying people guitar and doing a horrible job at it, this was one of many songs that I realized to bloodbath, which is a part of the explanation why I may undergo the remainder of my life not listening to it once more. However you do that, like, desolate model of it. And…

    CASH: Yeah. The lyrics are desolate.

    GROSS: They’re desolate, however – and your husband is taking part in organ behind you. And it is this actually, like, eerie, lonely organ. It virtually sounds prefer it’s being performed backwards. It is simply so odd. And it is actually only a haunting model.

    CASH: Nicely, we needed to get it very churchy, and we needed to convey out all the loneliness of the lyrics, as a result of the lyrics are actually unhappy. And I knew Bobby Bear’s model higher than I knew Peter, Paul and Mary’s model. And Bobby Bear’s model was a lot sadder, and I feel we even took it a step additional.

    GROSS: OK. Nicely, let’s hear it. And that is my visitor, Rosanne Money, singing “500 Miles.” Her husband, John Leventhal, is taking part in organ behind, her and he performs plenty of the devices and did the arranging for the CD. It is from the album “The Record,” which options songs from an inventory of 100 important American songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave her when she was 18. So here is “500 Miles.”

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “500 MILES”)

    CASH: (Singing) For those who miss the practice I am on, you then’ll know that I’ve gone. You may hear the whistle blow – 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles. You may hear the whistle blow – 100 miles. Teardrops fell on momma’s notice once I learn the issues she dominated. She stated, we miss you, hon. We love you. Come on residence. Nicely, I did not need to pack. I had all of it proper on my again. Now I am 500 miles away from residence. However I am yet one more down. Lord, I am one. Lord, I am two. Lord, I am three. Lord, I am 4. Lord, I am 500 miles away from residence.

    GROSS: That is Rosanne Money from her CD, “The Record,” which options songs from an inventory of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave her. You already know, earlier than listening to that music, we had been speaking concerning the mind surgical procedure that you simply had. And I used to be questioning what you’ve got turned to lately to only sort of offer you energy. And simply to fill listeners in, it has been a troublesome few years. You misplaced your mom. You misplaced your father. You misplaced your stepmother, June Carter Money. There have been three years the place you may barely communicate and could not sing due to polyps in your vocal cords. After which there was the mind surgical procedure that we talked about.

    It has been a tough interval. And when folks undergo tough instances, I imply, some folks flip to faith. Some folks flip to medicine or alcohol. Some folks don’t have anything to show to. Some persons are misplaced. Some folks discover this inside energy. your father, I imply, there’s been instances and there have been instances in your father’s life when he turned to medicine or tablets. And – however by way of all his life, I feel he had a way of Jesus in his life. Your mom was, I feel, a reasonably religious Catholic.

    CASH: She was.

    GROSS: Yeah. So what about you? Like, what have you ever had that has saved you – obtained you thru all of this?

    CASH: Nicely, I adhere to the faith of artwork and music and young children (laughter) – the pronouncements of young children. I, , I am not the kind to show to faith in that means. I am not the kind to show to medicine and alcohol. However I do have a profound devotion to artwork and music and youngsters. And people three issues, in addition to the love of my husband, who’s an incredible associate. And, , in the event you ever have mind surgical procedure, you need to name him as much as do all the vetting of the neurosurgeons and all of that enterprise ‘trigger he makes an excellent affected person advocate. So…

    GROSS: Good. If I am ever making an album, I’ll name him, too.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: Oh. That is cute.

    GROSS: So that you talked about, , artwork and music as what you flip to as, like – how that is sort of your faith. So what had been a number of the issues that you simply learn or listened to or watched throughout the interval of restoration while you wanted that sort of nourishment?

    CASH: Joan Didion’s “Yr Of Magical Considering” was nice. I learn the ebook, and I went to see Vanessa Redgrave carry out it. And that was…

    GROSS: Oh, wait. Let me cease you proper there.

    CASH: OK.

    GROSS: That may be a – I really like that ebook. It was so laborious to learn it ‘trigger it is all – it is a journal of the yr she misplaced her husband. It’s so painful. So when – what was therapeutic about studying that actually painful ebook?

    CASH: Nicely, I cherished it. I discovered – I do know lots of people discovered it actually troublesome and sort of miserable. However I cherished her very meticulous documentation of the little moments of madness that occurred throughout grief. You already know, that factor she stated about, effectively, it is 3 hours earlier in California, is he lifeless in California but? – I had that feeling and plenty of others that you do not inform folks as a result of they may suppose you are nuts. And so to see it there on the web page poetically written, I – it was actually nice for me. I cherished that.

    GROSS: What else?

    CASH: What else? Oh, Picasso. Arvo Half, the Estonian musician. I went to see a present in Paris that simply – it rearranged my complete life. It was so nice. It was referred to as “Melancolie,” and it was 800 years of insanity, despair and despair in artwork.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: It was incredible.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: I cherished it. I advised you, I’ve a morbid humorousness.

    GROSS: (Laughter).

    CASH: Nevertheless it was simply superb, , as a result of we used to specific all of this stuff in artwork, ? – the insanity and the despair and the despair. And now we simply medicate it away. Nevertheless it was all there on the canvas, and I simply cherished it.

    GROSS: Oh, wow. Did you – after grieving to your dad and mom, did you undergo a interval feeling such as you had been grieving for your self as a result of your mind was being compromised, your life was in jeopardy, your capability to be who you’re was in jeopardy?

    CASH: Yeah. I used to be offended at my dad and mom once I needed to have mind surgical procedure that they weren’t nonetheless round. As a result of irrespective of how previous you’re, you need your dad and mom while you’re going by way of…

    GROSS: Completely.

    CASH: …One thing like that.

    GROSS: Yeah.

    CASH: And I – yeah. Did I grieve for myself? No. I sort of thought, effectively, why not me? I’ve good medical health insurance. You already know, I haven’t got to indicate as much as a 9-to-5 job. I – , it – I did not have that feeling of, oh, why me? I by no means had that.

    GROSS: You by no means had the sensation of being resentful or envious of all people else who did not need to undergo the mind surgical procedure that you simply had been about to undergo?

    CASH: Mmm, no. I do not do this. I do not do comparisons ‘trigger I at all times lose.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: That is…

    GROSS: Is that how you are feeling?

    CASH: Sure, that is precisely how I really feel.

    GROSS: So…

    CASH: No, however not that I at all times lose. It is that if – the method of evaluating your self to another person, you are setting your self as much as not really feel good. So I do not trouble.

    GROSS: Getting again to the record of songs once more that your father gave you, did you’re keen on the identical songs on that record after the surgical procedure that you simply cherished earlier than? Was there any – did your style change?

    CASH: Mmm. I really like them extra now. I really like all the things extra now. I do know that feels like a cliche, however I do. However I really like these songs a lot, they usually maintain getting deeper and broader and extra poetic and extra energetic for me. Each time I hear them, each time I placed on one of many unique variations or I get to sing it myself, it is all new. It is superb that it took this lengthy for me to understand what was at all times there, ? Like T.S. Eliot stated, you come residence and realize it for the primary time. I really feel like that. I’ve returned residence and recognized it for the primary time.

    GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “CHANGE PARTNERS”)

    GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to my interview with Rosanne Money. She’s recognized for singing her personal songs, however she launched a CD referred to as “The Record” on which she sang a number of the songs from the record of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, made for her again in 1973 when she was 18. We spoke when the album “The Record” was launched in 2009.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    GROSS: I need to play one other music out of your new album, and I used to be considering of “Lady From The North Nation.” I feel you do an attractive job of this. Bob Dylan wrote it. It was on his 1969 “Freewheelin'” album – 1962, I imply. What yr is it? Extra like ’62, most likely. And…

    CASH: Yeah, it is sooner than ’69.

    GROSS: Yeah, I feel it is, like, ’62.

    CASH: ‘Trigger they did “Nashville Skyline” in ’69.

    GROSS: That was ’69, yeah.

    CASH: Yeah.

    GROSS: So in ’69, your father recorded it with Dylan on Dylan’s “Nashville Skyline” album. So why did you select this one to your personal?

    CASH: This was John’s thought to do that music. And I do know why it is on the record – as a result of, , my dad made the record in 1973, and he had simply recorded this 4 years earlier with Bob. So it was nonetheless sort of recent to him. It is one of many latest songs on the record. And when John introduced up that concept, I stated, oh, gosh, I can not. I can not do it. It is virtually sacrilegious. I – not solely do I’ve my dad and Bob’s recorded model in my head, I’ve photos of that session in my head. I wasn’t at that session, however there may be footage of it. And it was simply such a watershed file, too, ? I turned the good 14-year-old on the planet when my dad recorded this music with Bob Dylan. And I stated, I simply can’t do this. It is exterior of my very own realm.

    And John stated, let’s hearken to Bob’s unique model and strategy it that means. And his unique model is – it is within the custom of a traditional people music that is rooted in Elizabethan music, even. And I obtained to do this previous people twist of a lady singing about one other girl, which was nice. I cherished that. And as soon as we listened to the unique model and I may strategy it like that, I went, oh, I get it. Yeah. That is attractive.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “GIRL FROM THE NORTH COUNTRY”)

    CASH: (Singing) For those who’re touring within the north nation honest, the place the winds hit heavy on the borderline, keep in mind me to the one who lives there. She as soon as was a real love of mine. For those who go when the snowflakes fall, when the rivers freeze and summer season ends, please, see if she has a coat so heat to maintain her from the howling winds.

    GROSS: That is Rosanne Money singing Dylan’s “Lady From The North Nation,” from her new CD “The Record,” which is songs from an inventory of 100 nice American songs, important nation songs, that her father, Johnny Money, gave her when she was 18 years previous.

    You already know, I feel it is actually attention-grabbing that you simply’re doing this album of songs by different folks since you’re greatest generally known as a singer-songwriter. You do your individual songs. And this sort of frees you as much as simply be the singer and the interpreter and likewise to sing different folks’s melodies, which I feel have to be sort of refreshing in its personal means.

    CASH: Yeah, it’s. It’s. It was a bit of scary at first as a result of I did not ever need to put my voice entrance and heart, ? I used to be a songwriter. That was the torch I carried. That is an honorable occupation. That is what I do. I am a songwriter. My voice simply serves what I am writing about. So to let all that go – I imply, bringing the sensibilities of it, truly, to the music selections – however to only be the interpreter was extremely liberating and actually enjoyable.

    GROSS: You already know, it is attention-grabbing that you have carried out this album of covers. John Doe did an album of traditional nation covers. Loudon Wainwright simply did an album of Charlie Poole songs. So , the three of you’re well-known as songwriters. And inside a interval of months, you are turning to different folks’s songs. I simply discover that so attention-grabbing. And all of these albums I simply talked about are actually good.

    CASH: Nicely, there’s a cannon of American music that possibly a complete technology would not know that effectively, , individuals who weren’t round to listen to Patsy Cline’s model of “She’s Obtained You” or a music like “Take These Chains”, or by no means heard Ray Charles’ “Fashionable Sounds In Nation And Western Music” or Hank Snow or any of those folks. So I at all times felt like, you’ll be able to’t think about the Scots or the Irish with out Celtic music. You may’t think about us, the Individuals, with out these songs. They’re so vital to us. And it could be a tragedy in the event that they had been simply, , you needed to – in the event that they had been simply in a museum, in the event that they had been simply archived someplace, in the event that they weren’t nonetheless being carried out.

    GROSS: Oh, I actually agree with you. Once we final spoke, it was 2006, possibly. And this was after you had began singing once more after your three-year bout of not with the ability to sing due to polyps in your vocal cords. And in that interview, you stated that while you had the polyps, you vowed that in the event you recovered that you’d quit all of the nervousness that you simply had surrounding singing…

    CASH: (Laughing).

    GROSS: …And simply sort of get pleasure from singing and luxuriate in, , the skills that you simply had. So did that work out? Have you ever been capable of simply…

    CASH: (Laughter).

    GROSS: As you’ve got launched this album of you singing different folks’s songs, have you ever been capable of simply get pleasure from singing with out the attendant anxieties?

    CASH: I am laughing as a result of I did say that, did not I (laughter)?

    GROSS: You probably did.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: I am glad you jogged my memory (laughter).

    GROSS: You are welcome.

    CASH: Yeah. I did quit plenty of the nervousness. I am not an individual who will ever totally quit nervousness. I imply, it sort of fuels my…

    GROSS: (Laughter).

    CASH: …My all the things (laughter). However I did cease the criticism. That is what I ended, the self-criticism. You already know, if I miss a notice, if I can not maintain it so long as I need, , if my diaphragm provides away or one thing, I would just go, effectively, that is OK. That is all proper, ? Human being right here. However I get pleasure from it much more. I do. I did maintain that a part of the promise to myself, is that I obtained it again, and I get pleasure from it much more.

    GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “SEVEN YEAR ACHE”)

    GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. We’re listening to an interview from our archive with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. We spoke in 2009 when she launched her album “The Record,” that includes songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, compiled for her. He made that record in 1973 when she was 18 and on the street with him. She’s Money’s oldest little one. Her mom was his first spouse.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    GROSS: Your father lived his life onstage; your mom did not. The place do you slot in by way of consolation degree onstage and by way of, like, having a public part of your life?

    CASH: That is one thing that I nonetheless wrestle with. My daughter simply made her first file, and it is popping out quickly. She’s 27 years previous, and she or he has not requested me for any recommendation. She’s needed to do that on her personal. It is historical past repeating itself. However she did name and say, Mother, how do I’ve a profitable profession as a musician with out having a public life? And it sort of broke my coronary heart as a result of that was the precise query I requested at her age. And I stated, I do not know as a result of, , songs aren’t full till they’re heard. You already know, you’ll be able to’t simply do that to your front room. It is – a part of doing it’s placing it on the market. And, after all, being a performer, that is a complete different factor. However I nonetheless do wrestle with that. And I assume the – I am extra snug – you understand how Malcolm Gladwell had that 10,000-hour rule – like, in the event you do one thing 10,000 hours, you change into an knowledgeable at it? I really feel like possibly I am near 10,000 hours.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: So I am a bit extra snug. However you are proper. My mom was very, very personal, and my dad lived out his greatest self onstage. So I’ve each of these examples, ? Do not inform anyone something, maintain to your self, and take all the things to the stage.

    GROSS: Wow. That is actually complicated, is not it?

    CASH: It’s. So I’ve needed to work it out for myself. And what I do is each. I’ve an excellent personal life. I do not, , disclose all the things. I discover that extremely distasteful. And I really like performing.

    GROSS: Nicely, I am glad you discovered that consolation zone for your self, that you simply discovered the place the road is. I need to shut with one other observe from “The Record,” however since I’ve chosen all the things up to now, I believed I might be beneficiant and allow you to select one.

    (LAUGHTER)

    CASH: Would you like one thing unhappy and sluggish and ballad-y (ph) or one thing a bit of extra up?

    GROSS: I am letting you select.

    CASH: OK. “Motherless Kids” – this music is among the oldest songs on “The Record,” and it was superb how many individuals had carried out it, everybody from Billie Vacation to the Louvin Brothers to Eric Clapton. There are various completely different variations, many, many, many verses, too. So John and I needed to kind by way of them and sort of make it extra linear, , simply pull 4 verses that might work collectively. And John had simply misplaced his mom a few weeks earlier than we recorded this. So I feel we had been each feeling that sense of loss and being motherless. And I can actually hear it in John’s guitar taking part in on this observe.

    GROSS: Rosanne Money, it is simply been great to speak with you once more. Thanks a lot.

    CASH: It is my pleasure, Terry. Thanks for having me.

    GROSS: My interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money was recorded in 2009.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

    CASH: (Singing) Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Motherless youngsters have a tough time. There’s all that weeping and all that crying. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Father will do the perfect he can when the mom is gone. Father will do the perfect he can when the mom is gone. Father will do the perfect he can, however there’s so many issues he simply do not perceive. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone.

    GROSS: Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, extra favourite music interviews from the FRESH AIR archive. We’ll hear Smokey Robinson speaking about writing hits like “Store Round” and “You Actually Obtained A Maintain On Me” and beginning Motown with Berry Gordy, and Isaac Hayes speaking about writing the hit “Soul Man” for Sam & Dave and writing and performing the theme for “Shaft.” I hope you may be a part of us. Our interviews and critiques are produced and edited by Amy Salit, Phyllis Myers, Sam Briger, Lauren Krenzel, Heidi Saman, Therese Madden, Ann Marie Baldonado, Thea Chaloner, Seth Kelley and Susan Nyakundi. Our digital media producer is Molly Seavy-Nesper. I am Terry Gross.

    (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

    CASH: (Singing) Folks say a sister will do when the mom is gone. Folks say a sister will do when the mom is gone.

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