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    LIV Golf is like … the Ryder Cup?! Questions, observations on the Saudi league

    Majed Al Sorour, left, the CEO of Golf Saudi; and Greg Norman, the CEO of LIV Golf, on Saturday at Pumpkin Ridge.

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    Now that we’ve obtained all the speaking factors out of the best way — those you’ve most likely heard advert nauseum just lately — let’s attempt to make sense of this weekend’s information that seemingly got here out faster than a hosel rocket. The PGA Tour, in Illinois, and LIV Golf, in Oregon, went face to face on American soil for the primary time this week, and, amongst different nuggets, we heard comparisons to the Ryder Cup, we learn a rumor of when future signings may occur and we watched weird vignettes. That’s loads, so let’s start.  

    Bryson DeChambeau at Pumpkin Ridge.

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    Dylan Dethier

    First issues first: Did Talor Gooch examine the LIV occasion to enjoying within the Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup?




    His full quote, as he stood together with his successful workforce afterward: “I haven’t performed a Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup, however I can’t think about there’s an entire hell of loads of distinction.”

    Justin Thomas, your ideas?

    “I’ve seen some humorous stuff on-line, however this is without doubt one of the higher ones,” he wrote on the Zire Golf Instagram web page.  

    OK, with that, who have been the winners?

    Branden Grace, who shot rounds of three-under 69, 69 and 65 for a two-stroke win over Carlos Oritz, and the 4 Aces workforce of Gooch, Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reed and Pat Perez. 

    Grace earned $4 million, and the workforce break up $3 million. 

    How did the workforce facet look?

    This has potential. If gamers are locked onto groups (which seems to be coming as quickly as subsequent 12 months) and there are particular person backers of groups (which is being efforted), workforce play provides one other stage to an occasion. Golfers usually out of a person match nonetheless have loads to play for; on Saturday, Ortiz dropped a prolonged putt on the ultimate gap to spice up his workforce to 3rd, and cash, and the response from his teammates was partaking. 

    Did any gamers signal with LIV this weekend?

    Sure, Paul Casey. 

    Didn’t Casey as soon as come out in opposition to enjoying in Saudi Arabia? 

    Sure. In 2019, when the European Tour performed an occasion within the nation, Casey withdrew. The previous UNICEF ambassador then instructed the Unbiased:   

    “It simply didn’t sit properly with me. I’ve not talked an excessive amount of about it and I’m unsure I wish to, however definitely signing a deal and being paid to be down there, I’d be a hypocrite if I did that.

    “Anyone who says sport isn’t political, that’s garbage. Sport could be very political, and we’ve seen it by means of the years. I’m glad I took a stance, extra so if it highlighted the problems throughout the area, particularly subsequent door in Yemen.” 

    Greg Norman

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    Did any gamers re-up with the PGA Tour?

    Sure, Will Zalatoris. 

    Are there odds on the subsequent gamers to signal with LIV?

    Sure, over at, which was first identified by Golfweek.

    The present favorites? Patrick Cantlay and Hideki Matsuyama, at +350. 

    When will we hear concerning the subsequent LIV signing?

    Quickly, in line with Kenny Harms, Kevin Na’s caddie. 

    This week, Harms posted a number of movies from the occasion, and in a single, he answered a remark with this:

    “Let’s see which area is best in 4 weeks,” he wrote. “I’ll take NJ LIV area and you may take the Rocket Mortgage. I’ll go one higher I’ll take each area for the remainder of the 12 months in opposition to all of the PGA tour fields they play in opposition to. Simply so you already know 4 extra guys are signing subsequent week. Then after the tour championship there might be one other 5 to 10.

    Did Perez say this was the best factor he’s ever been part of in golf?


    His full quote: “That is the best factor I’ve ever been a part of in golf. Although I’ve gained thrice, it doesn’t matter.”

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    Dylan Dethier

    Did Perez shoot an 80 on Saturday and make almost one million {dollars}?

    Sure. He completed twenty ninth and earned $153,000, and as a member of the successful workforce, he introduced house one other $750,000. 

    Did Grace examine himself to Tiger Woods?

    In a means. 

    When requested afterward what the expertise was like for him on the 18th gap as he completed his victory, Grace mentioned: “I’m no Tiger, however that was as shut as I’m going to get to feeling what Tiger appears like. Coming down the 18th with everyone simply surrounding you, chanting your title, it was superb.”

    Did Grace cease a post-round interview to go to his bag, seize a Presidents Cup towel, ensure that the brand was pointed on the digicam and wipe himself repeatedly? 


    Coincidence? Perhaps. He was doused with champagne, in spite of everything. Keep in mind, although, that the PGA Tour operates that workforce occasion, which might be performed in late September at Quail Hole. 

    Right here’s the video, which begins after Grace returns to the digicam:

    So the gamers appear fairly comfortable, hey?

    Yeah, that appears to be the vibe. 

    And presumably a little bit carefree?

    That, too. 

    Contemplate this trade between Golf Digest’s Dan Rapaport and a participant on the vary: Rapaport, as a part of a wonderful piece for Golf Digest, wrote that he complimented a participant on a shot on the vary, just for the participant to snap, “Yep, it is going to. 

    “However, who the f**okay cares if it doesn’t?” 

    Keep in mind, there aren’t any cuts, and most gamers have signed massive, assured contracts.

    How is Phil Mickelson enjoying?

    Not properly. In Portland, he shot rounds of 75, 76 and 76, and in London, the place the primary LIV occasion was performed, he shot 75, 76, 76. These rounds bookend a 78-73 displaying on the U.S. Open.

    As has been the case since his return from a self-imposed four-month break, Mickelson’s feedback in Portland have been dry. 

    “My sport appears loads higher than I’m scoring,” he instructed Golfweek. “Hitting loads of good photographs, then I’m making loads of errors which can be costing me 5 – 6 photographs a spherical that I haven’t finished once I’m enjoying my finest.

    “I’m not discouraged.”

    Was Phil Mickelson heckled?


    Watch beneath:

    Was Dustin Johnson actually requested: Why is my father’s love conditional?


    Throughout Friday’s press convention, that was the primary query Johnson was requested, in actual fact. It got here from comic Griff Pippin of the Nation Membership Adjoining web site, and he and his mates went on to ask a number of questions. 

    (An electronic mail to the LIV Golf communications workforce has gone unanswered.)

    What was the published like?

    Quick; you noticed loads of photographs, although there aren’t any commercials. 

    Colourful; the image high quality was nice, and the graphics popped. 

    Loud; the announcers do a wonderful job of heightening the second. 

    However isn’t there loads of “cheerleading?”

    That, too. There may be an excessive overemphasis on telling you the way nice the golf is. 

    And the participant vignettes merely appear to be commercials for extra gamers. Is there every other cause that this one was produced?

    Full vid. The best way that is produced, I nonetheless say it’s a third occasion. They’re comfortable although, working much less. Signal me up!

    — robmillertime (@robmillertime) July 1, 2022

    How precisely is the cash paid out?

    This was a subject early within the week, when Golf Channel’s Brandel Chamblee tweeted that Charl Schwartzel’s winnings from the primary occasion went in opposition to his signing bonus. Chamblee has since deleted the tweet, and on Wednesday, a LIV spokeswoman mentioned that “the prize purses are along with. There isn’t any draw at LIV Golf on any funds.”

    When you’re additional , the Fireplace Pit Collective’s Alan Shipnuck did a wonderful deep dive on the cash right here. 

    Did LIV donate cash to charity in Portland?

    Sure, $1 million, which can go “to help native environmental and community-based organizations.”

    Will there be any information this week?

    It’s very, very seemingly.

    On Monday and Tuesday, Tour and LIV golfers might be enjoying on the JP McManus Professional-Am in Eire. In match play, the Tour and DP World Tour are co-sanctioning the Scottish Open — the place LIV gamers have been banned, although they’re threatening authorized motion. 

    Keep tuned.  

    Did Sergio Garcia go on a tirade at information of the DP World Tour ban?

    Sure, in line with the Telegraph. James Corrigan reported that “Sergio flew off the deal with, shouting, ‘This Tour is s***, you’re all f****d, ought to have taken the Saudi cash.’” 

    Justin Thomas

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    Nick Piastowski

    What’s going to the response be like among the many gamers of opposing sides in spite of everything this?

    TBD, in fact, however quotes from Justin Thomas and Padraig Harrington may information us. 

    Right here’s Thomas on this week’s No Laying Up podcast:

    “I believe it’s simply a type of issues the place perhaps if I walked previous that particular person earlier and mentioned, hey, or requested how they have been doing, I perhaps simply gained’t do it anymore,” Thomas mentioned on the podcast. “It’s not like one thing the place, you already know, I’m flipping them the chicken, or I’m making an attempt to make their life depressing by any means. 

    “I’m simply, you already know, it’s a type of issues, you simply, some individuals may not really feel like they should give the time of day anymore, is can be my solely guess.” 

    Right here’s Harrington on the Irish Open:

    “I really don’t have any downside with the blokes who’ve gone to LIV golf. They’re gone to go and do their factor,” he mentioned. “Everyone’s obtained to make their very own decisions, however you make a alternative. You make your mattress and also you sleep in it, that’s it. It was very clear that the blokes who didn’t go, particularly guys who may have gone, who presumably would have had gives on the desk, they’ve taken a giant resolution to not take the cash.

    “The fellows have gone as a result of there was an unimaginable sum of money on the desk. No different cause. No different cause,” he continued. “It’s not going to make their golf higher. It’s not going to do something extra that they may have finished enjoying anyplace else. They’ve gone for the cash, and there’s nice cash on the desk. They’re skilled golfers, and everyone has obtained to make that call. I’ve no downside, and people guys are going to stay my associates. I definitely don’t have any difficulty with what they’ve finished.”

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    Dylan Dethier

    Is LIV going to increase?


    Subsequent 12 months, the plan is to play 14 occasions, up from this 12 months’s eight. The objective is to even have all 48 gamers underneath contract. 

    The official title may also change, from LIV Golf Invitational Collection, to LIV Golf League. 

    So what occurs to current LIV golfers now when new gamers signal on?

    Primarily, they transfer on. 

    That really occurred this week. Pablo Larrazabal, Oliver Bekker and Oliver Fisher performed in London, then performed on the DP World Tour’s Irish Open. Larrazabal and Bekker have been topic to the fines and the suspension, whereas Fisher instructed Golf Channel he wasn’t punished as a result of he wasn’t certified for the DP World Tour’s occasion the week of the London match. 

    Is LIV Golf going to be on TV?

    It needs to be. 

    For now, LIV will stay on YouTube, Fb and its personal webpage. However in an insightful piece within the Sports activities Enterprise Journal, a LIV government mentioned: “We completely know we’d like TV companions.”

    Does LIV want to show a revenue?

    Sure. In a means. This was a giant a part of the Sports activities Enterprise Journal story. The Public Funding Fund, the backer of LIV, has deep pockets, however not countless. 

    Although the trade beneath, began by GOLF’s Dylan Dethier on Twitter, is notable. Will the cash run out? Or may investing in golf result in cash elsewhere? 

    One massive false impression about LIV is that its funding comes from an countless pool of money and can by no means have to show a revenue. That is not the case—the PIF is within the money-making enterprise. Loopy startup capital? Sure. Lengthy leash? For certain. However finally the enterprise has to work.

    — Dylan Dethier (@dylan_dethier) June 30, 2022

    Have been there protests exterior of the LIV occasion?


    And in line with Rapaport of Golf Digest, they’ll proceed at future LIV occasions. In Portland, 9/11 Justice, a bunch of individuals whose family members have been killed within the 9/11 terrorist assaults, held a press convention, and a member of the group instructed Rapaport:

    “Each match you’re gonna need to cope with us, extra individuals, our tales. We’re not going away.”

    When’s the subsequent LIV occasion?

    It’s July 29-31. A Sunday end this go-around. It goes face to face with the Tour’s Rocket Mortgage Traditional, which ought to entice a stronger area than the John Deere this week. That’ll be fascinating.

    The LIV occasion might be performed at Trump Nationwide Golf Membership Bedminster. That’ll be fascinating. The course was on monitor to be the host of this 12 months’s PGA Championship till the PGA of America pulled it following the occasions on Jan. 6 involving its proprietor.   

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